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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the remake it's the Uber-Morlock that controls the denizens of below but in the original I still say it's the Morlocks that make the clothes! Maybe not the ones we saw fighting Rod, but a group of female Morlocks who are smaller than the males and shy away from contact with the world above while not refusing the odd morsel of Eloi meat though...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, that's your prerogative, JB. Very Happy

But I think it makes a MUCH better story about the subjugation of the poor Eloi, because it goes much further than just turning them into food animals.

And without the 2nd community I described, those female Morlocks not only have to be skilled dressmakers, they also have to be midwives for the pregnant Eloi, and babysitters for the toddlers!

Obviously all this must takes place down in the caves because the Morlocks can't be out in the sunlight. So, by the time the young Eloi are ready to join the "adult community", they'll be terrified of the outside world, having never been there before.

And I seriously doubt they could just forget the extreme trauma caused by growing up in the caves under the watchful (and hungry) eyes of their Morlock masters. Could they really be expect to just join the happy, laughing clueless Eloi?

I'm sorry, JB, but my suggestion makes the story more dramatic, and it solves all the problems I described.

It makes it possible for the Eloi children to grow up in outdoor communities under the care of older Eloi caretakers, and it relieves the savage, subhuman Morlocks from those unlikely duties as midwives, daycare workers, and seamstresses! Shocked

In fact, I can easily imagine an exciting "prequel" about the young Eloi in the "children's community". A few of the older and smarter ones begin to question the rules and wonder why they can't leave. The older, well-trained (but terrified) caretakers would act strangely when these rebels started asking forbidden questions. The caretakers know what will happen to them if they didn't keep the horrible secret!

Then one night a few young rebels escape and go down into one of the "wells", trying to find answers to all the question they've asked in vain. But down in the caves they see the same horrible scene that George did!



Fleeing from the horrible truth of their people's fate, they're chased through the forest by a band of Morlocks until they stumble onto the "adult community" just before dawn, and the Morlocks flee back to their caves.

Imagine these young Eloi trying to convince the clueless adults that they'll eventually be eaten by the Morlocks!

Obviously this prequel could only have one of two endings, since the ending can't be allowed to spoil the plot of the movie by freeing the Eloi before George arrived.

Either the young rebels are caught and killed by the Morlocks (an ending which would rally suck, so to hell with that one!), or they would fail to convince the adult Eloi of the truth.

In desperation they would go back to the children's community, rescue a few more of the oldest kids and several sympathetic caretakers (men and women), and then head off to begin a new life free from the Morlocks!

Things would remain unchanged in the adult community which George discovers in the movie.

And the sequel to The Time Machine[/i] could involve George being told by the people in the newly liberated children's community that a few years earlier a band of Eloi preteens and adult caretakers left and never returned.

George understands what happened when he told more details by various Eloi, and a band of his Eloi allies go off in search of that brave group so they can be brought back and join his growing population of Eloi in Georgetown, the village he's helping the Eloi build! Very Happy

Damn, I love to "think like a writer"! Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they must have women, their survival as a species proves that and it can't be the Eloi women as that would mean cross breeding and they all look to be pure Morlocks to me, bud! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Naturally I'm not contesting the existence of Morlock females, but I am contesting the suggestion that Morlock females would be any more capable than Morlock males at taking care of pregnant Eloi girls or their babies, not to mention raising the kids in those caves and preparing meals for both the mothers and their children.

And I certainly can't imagine Morlock females using dress patterns, scissors, bolts of clothe, needles, and thread to make clothes for the grown up Eloi in the adult community!

I should probably mention that they'd also have to do the laundry at least once a week, too. Very Happy

Oh, and this just occurred to me! Where did these homebody Morlock mommies get the colorful clothe for the dresses and tunics which you're convinced they made!






Can you really imagine Morlock females making thread from raw cotton, then dying the thread the different colors they needed, and weaving it into fabric?

After all, they can't just run down to Wal-Mart to get bolts of clothe, right? So, if the Morlocks really did make the clothes for the Eloi, they'd bloody will have to start from scratch!

Come on, JB, be reasonable. D:

The happy, colorful world of the Eloi is loaded with hints that there are old Eloi slaves being kept in a separate community by the Morlocks to help take care of the Morlock's "food animals" while they're still just children.

Remember, the adult Eloi don't need to be kept in cages to prevent them from running away, simply because the Morlocks have trained selected members of these "food animals" to actually take care of the young ones until they're old enough to eat!

The Morlocks are sort of like farmers who've trained their cows, pigs, and chickens to do all the farm chores. Smile

I'm surprised that this idea doesn't appeal to you, JB. It's so much better than the simple notion that the Eloi are too dumb to know that they're human cattle, and the Morlocks just snatch a few of them when they get hungry.

Booooring . . . Rolling Eyes

And, as I've said, the Morlocks (male or female) just don't seem capable of doing all the necessary housekeeping chores and child rearing duties necessary to keep the Eloi happy, contented, and totally clueless.

When I try to imagine all that, JB, I get this amusing mental image. (Man, THAT is one ugly "mother"!) Shocked



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to give a "Nay" vote to the Morlock rearing idea. If it was just the Morlocks repairing machines and raising the younger Eloi for food, then why release them? Keep them down below ad in the safety of a cage so none of the food source gets accidently lost-Weena almost drowned and would have if George wasn't around.

At dinner George found out the Eloi do not mate, there are no young around, and there are no old Eloi as they are eaten. I'm thinking there were a great number of Eloi people that the Morlocks found as a great food source. They provided for the Eloi in such a way that after a while they lost the knowledge to care for themselves and became more childlike as time went on until they became the people we saw in the movie. During this time the Eloi forgot how to mate. The Morlocks don't know, or don't care, their food source is now dwindling out.
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I'd respectfully suggest you read my earlier post again. I covered all the things you mentioned and much more. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't for one second believe the Morlocks would rear the Eloi children! But they provide the food for the Eloi in their ancient buildings! The clothes they take off of their next meal and leave for the next generation of Eloi to wear in the woods perhaps? Laughing I think the Eloi are probably too lazy to even climb a tree to pick apples let alone anything else! Maybe some Eloi females still have the mothering gene and do look after children! On another note I wonder what happened to the builders of the temples which George saw being constructed during his travels and then left to decay as the fields flourished? Maybe they were the ancestors of the Eloi who travelled to this remote area of land that wasn't irradiated and once there came under the mental dominance of the Morlocks! The underground dwellers having eaten all their reserves and maybe some people they found up above and then in floods a new colony of healthy humans looking for a new life and boy did they get it!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:

And the sequel to The Time Machine could involve George being told by the people in the newly liberated children's community that a few years earlier a band of Eloi preteens and adult caretakers left and never returned.

Well, George Pal wanted to do a sequel. He co-authored a sequel story (link to description) that was novelized back in the day.

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Anyone know what it was about? More Morlocks and Eloi battles? George returning to the past for a book on how to build a bicycle? Or the ultimate future where humanity has been reduced to fluffy beasts which are the prey of giant crabs like in H.G.Well's original book?
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johnnybear wrote:
Anyone know what it was about?
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There's a good recap of the book Time Machine II here:
http://timetravelnexus.com/time-machine-ii-george-pals-sequel-novel-to-the-1960-film/
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johnnybear wrote:
Anyone know what it was about? More Morlocks and Eloi battles? George returning to the past for a book on how to build a bicycle? Or the ultimate future where humanity has been reduced to fluffy beasts which are the prey of giant crabs like in H.G.Well's original book?
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I pointed to a page which describes the book's story. Was that not sufficient?

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johnnybear wrote:
Anyone know what it was about?
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There's a good recap of the book Time Machine II here:
http://timetravelnexus.com/time-machine-ii-george-pals-sequel-novel-to-the-1960-film/

The very link I posted!
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I think for the purpose of this discussion the examination of the book TIME MACHINE II needs to be presented (My comments added after.):

"The story begins with George and a pregnant Weena traveling backward in time. The machine stops in 1941 and Weena gives birth to a son, only to have George and Weena die from bombs in World War II. The baby is instantly saved by a G.I., as James Filby Jr. watches this entire scene from his window, unable to help. The scene ends with another man watching nearby who is standing next to a machine that has an engraving reading “Time Machine II”.

The real story begins in an unknown year with a man named Pem Haversham. Haversham comes to CalTech in search of a physics professor by the name of Christopher Jones, who was an orphan as a child and always wondered about his parents’ identities. Haversham soon finds him and tells Chris that he is a friend of Filby’s and is the heir to George’s estate. Eager to know more about his parents, Chris follows Haversham back to England to meet Filby. Once there, an elderly Filby tells Chris about his father and his obsession with time. Filby even relates the story of how George demonstrated time travel one night in 1899 and Filby himself met George in 1917. Chris was ecstatic and rushed over to his father’s home to uncover any mysteries that lay behind.

Days turned into months as Chris found blueprints to the Time Machine and journals of his adventures. Chris became just like his father and builds a new Time Machine, complete with improvements, such as a seat belt, a storage area, dials to set a destination time, a time traveling radar detector, and a canopy. It was then that the year was revealed to be 1971, ten months since Haversham found him. Chris tests his machine by traveling a few hours into the future and back.

Filby begged Chris not to use the machine any more, just as his father warned George. Chris, being stubborn, does not heed the warning and travels back to 1941, to the moment of his birth. Unfortunately, he is unable to save his parents and sees the G.I. take his infant self away. It was then he decides to travel to the far future to warn his parents not to return to 1941. Once he arrives in 802,701, he notices everything is Zen and peaceful. He enters a nearby house, in which he finds the original Time Machine. Shortly after, George and Weena enter the room and Chris attempts to tell them who he is and to warn them about 1941. He even shows them his Time Machine II with the updates. George becomes upset, claiming he has no son, never will, and that Chris must be someone who stole the blueprints and built another machine. In the end, George forces him to leave the premises.

Before he knew it, two Eloi children start to play with the machine and Chris jumped in before it vanished forever. Chris felt horrible that his father reacted the way he did, but then recalled a journal entry where he was disgusted at what the future held for the last of humankind. Chris then realized he was going backwards in time and pushed the lever forwards. Millions of years pass and all Chris could see was a stagnant sky with no Moon and the Sun barely seemed to move at all. The waters lay still, with no sign of humans anywhere. Has Chris reached a point where humans no longer exist? Suddenly, giant crabs come out of nowhere chasing after him, along with many giant insects. Even a giant spider catches him and envelops him inside a cocoon. Chris believes this is the end when a woman sets him free. She leads him to an empty giant honeycomb section where other humans hide.

There, an old man tells Chris that another man like him was here before. Chris concludes it was his father. The old man also describes that over eons, humans have destroyed the entire ecosystem in such a way that the insects have mutated into giant carnivores, hunting humans. He even stated that the current generation of humans have given up and will be the last as they kill their offspring. Chris now understands his father’s frustration.

Chris soon notices that one of the humans has a bullet shell and demands to know where it came from. The human, Aba, takes him to a cave, which turns out to be an old storage area for weapons. Over the course of a few days, they test the weapons and see that some burn something to ashes or freeze something into a block of ice. Chris then wonders about how humankind has gone from a bow and arrow to complete destruction; nothing is ever good enough.

When a swarm of giant creatures attack, they use these weapons to defend themselves, and as Chris watches, many of the humans die. Chris becomes depressed feeling that he is the reason they died: they could have died gracefully but were subject to the brutal attacks while defending themselves. Before the old man dies in Chris’ arms, he tells Chris that he is wrong and that the fight was worth it… because of sacrifice.

Chris now thinks it is a good time to go back to his own time and live out his life naturally, so he ventures to the spot where he left his machine, hoping the giant crabs will be gone and haven’t ruined the machine. He instead finds both machines along with his father. George has come to apologize and formally introduce him to his mother, who is laying down fully pregnant on the floor of the original machine. Some time after Chris left 802,701, Weena told George that she was pregnant. Chris once again tries to stop them from going to 1941, but George tells him that he wants him to be born in 1900 and to be part of his Great Experiment: Can a person change the course of events?

Just then, a giant crab comes out of nowhere and grabs Chris, crushing his pelvis, along with destroying the Time Machine II. The story now divides in two: as George rushes inside his machine to return to 1900, Chris becomes more and more wounded as several crabs claw at his body. Weena has severe contractions as Chris is being dragged underwater. Chris lets out one last scream as Weena gives birth in 1945.

The story ends in 1945 with George, Weena, and newborn Chris at the hospital. George then wonders who is this baby boy? Is it the same Chris who warned him about their deaths and left to die millions of years in the future? Are they living in a parallel world? Will the now changed events change the outcome of future generations of humankind?

This is an extraordinary adventure. Before I read it, I thought it would be about how George returns to 802,701 to build a new world for the Eloi, along with Weena. I also thought it would answer the cliffhanger question of Filby’s in the film: Which three books would you have taken?
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As one can see by my recap, the novel did not touch on either of these. It is just assumed that George did whatever he did to get rid of the Morlocks and bring peace to the Eloi.

The story did begin with George and Weena traveling through time, but she was already giving birth and they soon died. That was a real disappointment. I wasn’t sure what else could be done, but obviously, it became better.

It was odd to me that Pal did not include the year 1970 at the beginning. This would’ve helped provide the setting, especially with it being a time travel novel. When Filby was introduced as James Filby Jr., I was confused. In the film, George’s friend was David Filby and his son James Filby. At first, and with not knowing what year it was, I thought maybe this was James’ son, but no. I can only conclude that David’s full name is James David Filby and George just calls him David. For those who aren’t aware, the character of George in the film is in fact H. G. Wells himself, which can be seen engraved on the Time Machine in the film.

I am surprised by the fact that George’s house still stands. It was encapsulated by molten lava in 1966 in the film. Did Pal retcon this? If so, then anything is possible for this novel. I’m not fond of this kind of retcon in a time travel franchise, because the plot can get messy very quickly, much like what happened in Terminator: Genisys.

One of the things that caught me in awe was something Filby said when Chris and Haversham first arrived at his house. He stated that they were late, which means time was wasted, and therefore, Haversham is a thief, stealing his time. I honestly never thought about it in that light before, but it is so perfectly true. Time should not be wasted and anyone who steals another’s time could essentially be considered a thief. Quite profound!

Filby told Chris the stories about his encounters with George, including the events in 1899, 1900, 1917, and 1941. It’s now the year 1970. Why didn’t he mention their meeting in 1966? That would have been a big moment that convinced Filby that George could travel through time. In the film, Filby tells George “You haven’t aged a day.” (during the period from 1917 to 1966). Furthermore, in 1966, why didn’t Filby mention to George that he saw him die in 1941 as described in this book? I understand this is a sequel and that this plot point couldn’t have been anticipated for the film, but we are talking about chronology here.

As I was reading, I was curious as to where these pieces of the original Time Machine came from that were being dug up by Chris. I can only assume they were left there from the rubble in 1941. I have another remark about this that I’ll return to later.

Initially I thought Chris would use the same machine, but it was nice to see improvements. The dials reminded me of the mistake from the episode of The Big Bang Theory that featured the Time Machine. Originally, there were no dials, and I somewhat doubt the show’s writers knew of this sequel novel. Even if they did, the dials would not be a part of the original machine. The canopy also reminded me of the glowing sphere from the 2002 film The Time Machine. Again, I doubt the animators of that film knew of the novel.

I was confused as to why Chris stopped at the moment he did in 1941. Why not a few moments sooner so he could save his parents? Or why didn’t he do this after he witnessed their deaths? Of course, there’s the whole paradox issue, but this would be my first thought if I were him. If he was worried about a paradox, why bother going to 802,701 to warn them? This would still create a paradox.

I was surprised to see George’s reaction to Chris. It’s not that incredible to have a man claiming to be your son and in possession of a time machine, when you yourself are a time traveler. Why would George even accuse Chris of lying? This is not like George at all. I can understand his frustration, but why take it out on Chris? George mentions that he has passed through 1941 several times and saw no bombs. This is not true. In the film, George did stop in 1940 (but didn’t leave the Time Machine) and saw bombings.

By the way, how did Chris know exactly when to arrive in 802,701? Sure, there was a point where journal entries stopped, but does that mean George is still there in 802,701? It would actually be interesting to see what would’ve happened if Chris arrived during the time when his parents met, during George’s first journey to 802,701.

Chris’ journey to the end of humankind was very similar to George’s first journey to 802,701. I can agree with what he saw at first, and even the giant insects. Chris even describes in the novel how insects are the most adaptable creatures on Earth.

The humans of the time seemed much like the Eloi. This part was basically George’s story retold, but with giant insects instead of Morlocks. Chris finding the weapons was rather coincidental and I do agree with him that weapons seem to become more destructive as time passes.

Again, I was surprised to read that the old man knew of George. Why does Chris always go to time after his father has been there? I understand he has a radar detector, but why doesn’t he stop while George is still there? The only time he does is in 1941. This makes no sense. Is he avoiding his father? I wouldn’t think so. Is the Time Machine II incapable of stopping before the original leaves? I don’t think so because of the events depicted in 1941.

The war between the humans and insects was interesting, but nothing spectacular. Once again, the “Eloi” of that period have triumphed over their adversaries. Is it worth sacrificing a few to save the many? That’s a deep philosophical question, and in my opinion, no. Everyone deserves a chance to live. However, those who wish to live out their last days fighting for a cause, that’s their decision.

It was also strange to see George come to the future to see his son. How did he know when to arrive or that Chris would even be there? This was never mentioned. Last time he saw him was when he shooed him away. Chris didn’t say anything to him about going to the future. And how long has George been there? I assume not long, since Weena was about to go into labor, which makes even less sense for George to be there at that time. Not to mention George couldn’t remember exactly what year it was that they died. Did he come to ask Chris? Seems silly.

I enjoyed how the story split into two at the end, moving at a fast pace, going back and forth between the two. I especially loved that as the events of Chris’s death are being described in the future, we learn the details of his birth in 1941. Perfect ending.

Then, George began thinking about parallel worlds and how his life and Chris’ life intertwined, something not mentioned in the film. The Chris of the future was his son, but not the same son he now holds in his arms. George has created a new world for his family. I guess this explains where the parts from the 1970 dig came from: from the demolished Time Machine from 1941, which doesn’t exist in this timeline, but another, just like the Chris born in 1941 exists somewhere in the multiverse.

I love this novel and reccomend it to all fans of time travel and The Time Machine. You will love it, even though there are a few asynchronicities.

On the cover, the book is described as a sequel to Wells’ novel, but it’s really not. It’s a sequel to the 1960 film. I only wish this was a movie, but I’m perfectly happy with the 2002 film.

Thank you George Pal for leaving us this legacy. Keep in mind that this is an extremely rare find and if you do happen to locate it, hold onto it for all time!"

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As you can see the cultural aspects of Morlocks and Eloi was not a major issue.

For my part I must think that the details of their relationship was not completely thought out either by Wells or Pal so whatever discussions on them are rather moot.

How long had this relationship gone on? Possibly for only a few generations, which seems likely to support the structure as portrayed in the film. I doubt that the symbiotic relationship could have existed for long or would be able to exist for much longer. One or other of the races would have reached a state of collapse in short order due to most of the issues discussed above.

The Morlocks didn't manufacture the Eloi's clothing...or anything else for that matter. They simply recycled the clothing of the harvested Eloi. The food fed to the Eloi was no more complex than present day farmers feeding their stock although the presentation of that food was a bit more sophisticated.

As the machinery broke down the Morlocks couldn't repair it but just worked around it.

The fact that there were no younger Elois shows that once this group was harvested there would be no more Eloi to meet the food requirements of the Morlocks.

If George had not interfered with the process either the Eloi or the Morlocks would have gone to extinction....probably both.

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Well, all I'll say is that this is not the kind of sequel I'd write for The Time Machine. It doesn't build on the original story, it just goes off in unexpected directions for unknown reasons. It's too convoluted, too removed from the original, and not at all like what fans of the book or the movie expected or wanted.

As for the sequel I would write, I laid it all in detail above. I think my premise extends the concepts presented in the movie, and it makes both the Eloi and the Morlocks much more interesting. The Eloi aren't just dumb bunnies who eat and laugh and play and then . . . get eaten.

And the Morlocks aren't just brutish animals who operate some sort of unidentified machinery underground (without looking like they could even hold a screwdriver, much less use one), and go out after dark to grab a fresh Eloi for a midnight snack. Rolling Eyes

Just because the movie didn't show us a more complex social system between the Eloi and the Morlock's doesn't mean it didn't exist. The movie used it's time well to introduce the far-future society and to present its basic elements.

The suggestion that the Morlocks just sort of "recently ran out canned goods" and started gobbling up the Eloi when they got hungry is not what the movie suggests at all! Shocked

The movie (and the book) depict a long-term relationship between the predatory Morlocks and their poor human prey, the Eloi. The predator/prey relationship developed slowly over many generation, and it was supposed to be stable and long lasting. That was true tragedy of it! That was what gave the concept it's real drama!

We are meant to accept George's horrified reaction to the bones he sees in the cave as the literal definition of the relation between the two "races" when he says, "The Morlocks bred the Eloi . . . like cattle!"

He didn't say they "hunted the Eloi like wild animals." What the Morlock's were doing was far more devious, more horrifying than mere murder and cannibalism.

As for the suggestion that the clothing was "recycled" over and over, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't work. Let's be realistic, folks. How long would it take for those simple garments to get filthy and ragged?

Seriously, do these garments look filthy and ragged?






Perhaps the most unrealistic suggestion is that the attractive, healthy, fun-loving, pleasure-seeking Eloi never mated.

George said the Morlocks bred the Eloi like cattle. Cattle breeders encourage their stock to mate, and the Morlocks wanted the Eloi to mate as well so they'd create more Eloi McNuggets!

Consider this:

If the Eloi have lost all interest in sex, then George is completely wasting his time going back to "build a new world for the Eloi . . . and a new world for himself as well," as Filby put it!

And my goodness, poor George certainly can't expect much of a love life with the lovely Weena, can he? Just how did she get pregnant in that wacky sequel if the Eloi no longer have the basic instinct to mate?

But wait, let's not forget the strong clues the movie gives us concerning this matter. Remember the scene in which Weena asks George if he had a significant other in the past? When he said no, she went all girlie and asked him how the women in "his time" wore their hair! Wink

This might be 800,000 years in the future, but "feminine wiles" are still alive and well, folks! And when she asked George if she'd be pretty with her hair "up", Georgie swoops right in and has that cute little blonde panting and moaning in seconds flat!








Those two were just minutes away from being fruitful and multiplying! If they hadn't been interrupted by the shouts from the other Eloi about the Sphinx being open, the movie would have faded to black. Cool

Yep, I'm pretty sure the Eloi are still interested in sex.

Guys, I really think there's fertile ground for a really good sequel because of the way this classic movie laid such a good foundation. What I proposed in my story idea is a complex, very realistic situation in which the Morlocks are the cruel masters of the Eloi, enslaving them both covertly (the happy "paradise society") and overtly (the "child-rearing society") where there are older Eloi who have been trained to be the Morlock's enforcers.

These older Eloi shamefully trade their loyalty to their own people just to get a longer life and special privileges by following the Morlocks' orders and maintaining a social system which does everything for the "food animal" Eloi which the Morlocks can't do — like making clothing, delivering meals to that fastidiously maintained dinning area, cleaning it up afterwards, relocating pregnant girls to the child-rearing society, and raising the children until they're old enough to be sent to the "paradise society" where they're fattened up for the slaughter.

It's the classic "tragic situation" that drives many good stories. It builds on the concepts the movie provides — instead of just tossing them out by doing something that barely relates to it!

I submit that my story offers an interesting, easy to follow narrative which answers the questions posed by the movie and adds new layers of complexity to the initial premise. It sets up a dramatic conflict by inviting the reader (or the audience) to wonder how the Eloi will be saved and how the Morlocks will be defeated.

And it puts George right where we want him to be at the end of The Time Machine — as the leader of the Eloi, a group of humans who desperately need a strong leader. Fortunately they have already demonstrated that they're capable of learning how to be brave and independent.



I think my concept is clearly more interesting, logical, satisfying, and internally consist with the movie.

In my opinion, the Time Machine II sounds like a rambling, disconnected, blatant soap opera with no clear direction. I had trouble getting through the summary above, so I'm pretty sure I'd nod off periodically if I tried to read the book. Sad

But hey, that's just one man's opinion. Very Happy

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alltare
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maurice wrote:
alltare wrote:
There's a good recap of the book Time Machine II here:
http://timetravelnexus.com/time-machine-ii-george-pals-sequel-novel-to-the-1960-film/

The very link I posted!

Sorry Maurice- I missed your link. I found the same site via Google.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry too, Maurice! I missed your link and after I couldn't get it to work anyway! Sounds like the book veers off into alternate time with the 1970 setting which contradicts the end of the surface world in 1966! Good to see that Well's original ending with the Giant Crabs was picked up by George Pal in his book too!
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