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Fantastic Voyage (1966)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read Micro, but it was Crichton's last novel and someone else had to be hired to finish it. I've read many of his works and liked most of them, though his stuff could be kind of hit and miss. While Jurassic Park and The Great Train Robbery were top notch he also turned out weak stuff like Disclosure and Timeline. I'd understand if Micro wasn't prime Crichton.

I remember the F. Voyage toon being on during it's run, but I never bothered to watch it. Maybe substituting the super cool Harper Goff sub for that squarish airplane-like thing turned me off. While I can appreciate people's model-building skills that design never worked for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a beautiful design . . . for an aircraft. And that works against it, because we want see this lovely thing soaring through the clouds, not cruising slowly through a liquid medium.



And how could we not see it as an aircraft in view of it's similarity to this?






It even borrows the idea of the little observation dome on top!



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Voyager in the cartoon series was actually a combination aircraft-submarine, like this sleek baby.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The flying sub, of course, looks like an aquatic vehicle that also flies. The Voyager looks like an aircraft in every way.

And even the flying sub looks like an aircraft in some ways, of course, because it's design was inspired by a manta ray -- which looks a lot like an aircraft.



Me, I like my submarines to look like submarines. They can be new and sleek and futuristic -- but basically they're submarines.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Brewster wrote:
And even the flying sub looks like an aircraft in some ways, of course, because it's design was inspired by a manta ray

I disagree Bud, the FS was clearly inspired by the Stingray, which has a front end that comes to a point.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oops, my lack of knowledge in marine biology is showing. Sorry.

This stingray from the website at the link still looks a lot like an aircraft, don't you think?




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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the Flying Sub design even better than the Seaview itself. Terrific concept having an air vehicle aboard the sub.

It opens up more story possibilities.

My late friend,Ed,always felt that they used the FS too much & with no restraint such as the Enterprise's shuttlecraft.

I agree, even as much as I loved the FS.

Several years after Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea,Gerry Anderson's UFO TV series would also incorporate the same premise.

On that show SHADOW operated smaller subs on patrols for alien activity.

The front section of the sub was a jet aircraft which could detach itself from the sub, Skydiver, & then leave the ocean & fly in the air.

Both sub & Sky1 were nifty designs.

Interesting that years later on Seaquest DSV they did not include any aerial vehicles aboard the submarine
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pow wrote:
Interesting that years later on Seaquest DSV they did not include any aerial vehicles aboard the submarine.

That's true, but the SeaQuest did get to fly when the writers ran out of ideas and had a giant alien spacecraft lift the SeaQuest out of the ocean and take it to another planet.

My reaction to that was, "If I'd wanted a show about aliens and outer space, there's plenty of other shows I could watch!"

That series just never lived up to its promise by telling stories about mankind's exploration and conquest of Earth's oceans. That's what the promos — and even the opening credits — made us yearn for.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On one of the IA fan sites there are photos of the concept model for the FS set. In it, the set was to originally have had two reactor walls, like in "City Beneath the Sea".

In some of the 3rd, or 4th season episodes, there is a drawing of the FS on the wall in Nelson's office (I think). The FS is hovering above the water with a exhaust wash ring below it. This indicates that they originally considered making the FS a VTOL vehicle.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually built a model of the Flying Sub based on the concept art. Honestly, it was so long ago I can't remember if this was the design in the picture on Nelson's wall or if I saw it somewhere else. Note the much more prominent vertical fins.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotpens wrote:
The story of the full-size Proteus being reworked as a rescue sub for either The Poseidon Adventure or its sequel, Beyond the Poseidon Adventure, is probably a myth. There's a studio photo of the Proteus mockup being dismantled after filming, and it hadn't had any alterations done to it. I wish I could find that picture. It used to be on Doug Drexler's old DrexFiles site, which unfortunately no longer exists.

The Proteus had a beautiful design. Very Happy

Naturally the interior was a separate set, but I wonder what the inside of the full-sized ship looked like? I tend to think of the full-sized sub having the interior we see in the movie, but that wouldn't be the case, would it?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The version of the "submarine" above is NOT the one from the movie. The PROTEUS was the movie vessel and looks much more like a submersable.

In the animated series, a different team of experts performed their missions in a craft called the Voyager, a submarine which featured wedge-shaped wings and a large, swept T-tail, and was capable of flight.

The original PROTEUS:





From the studio blueprints :









Crew patch :



Some views of the ship :







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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
The version of the "submarine" above is NOT the one from the movie. The PROTEUS was the movie vessel and looks much more like a submersible.

In the animated series, a different team of experts performed their missions in a craft called the Voyager, a submarine which featured wedge-shaped wings and a large, swept T-tail, and was capable of flight.

And that's exactly what was being talked about in those posts -- the Voyager from the cartoon series, not the Proteus from the movie.


Bud Brewster wrote:

The Proteus had a beautiful design. Very Happy

Naturally the interior was a separate set, but I wonder what the inside of the full-sized ship looked like? I tend to think of the full-sized sub having the interior we see in the movie, but that wouldn't be the case, would it?

There was no separate interior set. The full-size Proteus mockup actually had the complete interior inside it. That makes sense, since so much of the interior was visible through the big window bay in front. The mockup had several removable "wild" sections to allow for camera placement.



For modelers, this means that, unlike many science-fiction vehicles, nothing on the Proteus has to be fudged or compromised to make everything fit. What you see is what you get!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry! I clicked in "mid thread".
I had read the earlier posts a year or so ago and totaly forgot!

Pictures are still pretty though!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My compliment was specifically for the Proteus, of course, but the Voyage is a gorgeous "aircraft" design, and the Flying Sub which Brent posted a picture of is a nice hybrid of sub-and-aircraft design.


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There was no separate interior set. The full-size Proteus mockup actually had the complete interior inside it. That makes sense, since so much of the interior was visible through the big window bay in front. The mockup had several removable "wild" sections to allow for camera placement.

For modelers, this means that, unlike many science-fiction vehicles, nothing on the Proteus has to be fudged or compromised to make everything fit. What you see is what you get!

Wow, that's wonderful! I'm delighted to hear that the Proteus has the unique distinction of (A) having a full-sized version of the submarine created for the film, and (B) also having the gorgeous interior actually inside the full-sized version!

I can't think of a single sci-fi movie where this is true of the fictional craft built for a movie, like a spacecraft or a submarine. Naturally, there are plenty of land roving vehicles like the Chariot and the Damnation Ally tank. But the Proteus is in a class by itself. D:

In a way, the Proteus is a little like the "touring rockets" we've been discussing in the other thread! It's really a shame it wasn't preserved. Sad

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