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[bulldogtrekker]

Plot Holes You Never Noticed In 'Star Wars'
The Huffington Post | By Todd Van Luling

Unless you actually grew up in a galaxy far, far away, you know what the deal is with "Star Wars." George Lucas originally created three movies in the '70s and '80s, and then went back to make the first three episodes of the saga in the '90s and '00s. This writing structure may have caused some questionable directions to the storyline, but that didn't matter too much: The movies were extremely successful, and "Star Wars" is cherished today as one of the greatest additions to American cultural canon. ("Episode VII" is due out on Dec. 18, 2015, the first part of a third "Star Wars" trilogy.)

Famously, the movies would add twists that didn't quite add up in scenes that came in earlier movies, most notably Luke and Leia being almost lovers-turned-twin siblings. But although mistakes like that are a bit weird, we wanted to find plot holes that really mess with the integrity of the movies.

In honor of Carrie Fisher's birthday (Oct. 21), here is a loving takedown of "Star Wars." These may not change how you think about the classic saga overall, but the glaring holes will definitely throw you off the next time you binge watch Lucas' series all the way through.....

LINK:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/21/star-wars-plot-holes_n_6015682.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

[Bud Brewster]

Very enjoyable article, BDT. Thanks!
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[noetic_hatter]

Haha, when I saw this title I would have sworn it was a Cracked article.

Prequels will often set up plot holes, especially if you try to force (pun intended) characters into the prequels that have no business being there -- such as 3PO and R2.

Even the Luke-is-hot-for-Leia bit is understandable given the fact that Lucas surely didn't intend that brother/sister story at first. It's retroactively amusing and squicky. But I get it.

Who wouldn't be hot for Carrie Fisher ca 1977-80?

[Bud Brewster]

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Yep, she was a little cutie, no doubt about it.





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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)

[tmlindsey]

By the time Return of the Jedi rolled around, Lucas had sold out to merchandising profits over art.

It's pretty clear that Lucas either didn't re-watch the original films before making the Prequels or was so distracted by all of the CGI dancing baloney he shat onto the so-called "special editions" that he didn't remember any of it.

Here are two interesting and enlightening reads:
https://filmthreat.com/interviews/gary-kurtz-interview-the-original-star-wars-producer-speaks/
and
https://collider.com/star-wars-and-empire-strikes-back-producer-gary-kurtz-speaks-bluntly-about-george-lucas-return-of-the-jedi-and-more/

Also this from TheForce.net:

Gary Kurtz Reveals Original Plans for Episodes 1-9
Posted By Paul on May 26, 1999

Gary Kurtz, the producer of ANH and ESB, spoke at the Sci-Fi Expo in Plano, TX this weekend along with his daughters Tiffany and Melissa (as children they played Jawas in ANH). He shared with the crowd about meeting Lucas, leaving the Star Wars films and the original plans for the entire saga.

Back in the early 70s, Kurtz was looking to use the new Technoscope technology in an upcoming film. Francis Ford Coppola hooked him up with George Lucas who had recently filmed TXH-1138 with Technoscope. Kurtz became interested in Lucas' planned American Graffiti and the partnership was born.

When the time came to produce ROTJ, Kurtz was unhappy with the story direction Lucas was taking. He felt that it was too much of a rehash of the first films with no real challenges. At the same time, Jim Henson was inviting him to produce his experimental film, Dark Crystal, which he chose instead.

Kurtz gave TPM a mixed review as he was clouded by plans made for Episode 1 back in the early 70s. As someone involved with Star Wars from the initial concepts, Kurtz revealed the original intentions for the nine films as they were laid out BEFORE 1980. Very interesting.

EPISODE 1: Was to focus on the origins of the Jedi Knights and how they are initiated and trained

EPISODE 2: Introduction and development of Obi-Wan Kenobi

EPISODE 3: Introduction and life of Vader

EPISODE 4: There were seven different drafts of the film. At one point, they pursued buying the rights to Hidden Fortress because of the strong similarities. At one point, Luke was a female, Han was Luke's brother, Luke's father was the one in prison (interesting point for some debates) and the film featured 40 Wookies

EPISODE 5: Once written, the screenplay of Empire is almost exactly what is seen on screen. The only cut scenes were those involving Wampas in the rebel base (cut because of time and unsolved technical glitches) and about two minutes of Luke/Yoda Jedi training with no real dialog.

EPISODE 6: Leia was to be elected "Queen of her people" leaving her isolated. Han was to die. Luke confronted Vader and went on with his life alone. Leia was not to be Luke's sister.

EPISODE 7: Third trilogy was to focus on Luke's life as a Jedi, with very few details planned out.

EPISODE 8: Luke's sister (not Leia) appears from another part of the galaxy.

EPISODE 9: First appearance of the Emperor.

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