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Gord Green Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well Bud, I think it's important to understand JUST what the concept of the ID is as relating to FP.
At the time the movie was produced Freudian psychological concepts were being thrown around quite liberaly. Analysis from a Freudian point of view was also prevelent.
THE "ID" DEFINED :
:The "ID" is the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that is completely unconscious and is the source of psychic energy derived from instinctual needs and drives
In Latin, id means simply "it". Sigmund Freud (and his translator) brought the word into the modern vocabulary as the name of what Freud believed to be one of the three basic elements of the human personality, the other two being the ego and the superego.
According to Freud, the id is the first of these to develop, and is the home of the body's basic instincts, particularly those involving sex and aggression.
Since the id lacks logic, reason, or even organization, it can contain conflicting impulses. Primitive in nature, it wants to be satisfied immediately. Although its workings are completely unconscious, Freud believed that its contents could be revealed in works of art, in slips of the tongue ("Freudian slips"), and in one's dreams.
It is the part of the psyche, residing in the unconscious, that is the source of instinctive impulses that seek satisfaction in accordance with the pleasure principle and are modified by the ego and the superego before they are given overt expression.
It is the dark, inaccessible part of our personality, what little we know of it we have learned from our study of the dreamwork and of course the construction of neurotic symptoms, and most of that is of a negative character and can be described only as a contrast to the ego.
We approach the id with analogies: we call it a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations. ...It is filled with energy reaching it from the instincts, but it has no organization, produces no collective will, but only a striving to bring about the satisfaction of the instinctual needs subject to the observance of the pleasure principle
The id "knows no judgements of value: no good and evil, no morality. ...Instinctual cathexes seeking discharge—that, in our view, is all there is in the id."
It is regarded as "the great reservoir of libido", the instinctive drive to create—the life instincts that are crucial to pleasurable survival.
Alongside the life instincts came the death instincts—the death drive which Freud articulated relatively late in his career in "the hypothesis of a death instinct, the task of which is to lead organic life back into the inanimate state."
For Freud, "the death instinct would thus seem to express itself—though probably only in part—as an instinct of destruction directed against the external world and other organisms" through aggression.
So Morbius's extension of his psyche implemented by "The Machine" was completely an unconscious act. Conciously he was not aware of his involvement and as it finaly came to him he was tortured and devestated by the fact.
No...Morbius didn't lie...He told the truth as he was aware of it. He was just wrong....HE was responsible for the "Monster from the ID". _________________ There comes a time, thief, when gold loses its lustre, and the gems cease to sparkle, and the throne room becomes a prison; and all that is left is a father's love for his child. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oops . . . EYES WHITE
(Freudian slip?) _________________ ...or not...
WayneO
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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My goodness, are you sure it doesn't say "white"? Perhaps you need new glasses, Wayne! Please don't try to drive until you get that checked! _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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This has all the earmarks of a Freudian slipcover. _________________ ...or not...
WayneO
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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THESE worked! Kidos to Bud and Wayne for helping me . Next post Have Gun — Will Travel pics.
Robby's unused dress for Alta that she requested.
Robbu's internal workings from the Japanese lased disk.
An elargement of the copper rain suit fot an unuded tag scene wgere it was supposed to be raing as Cdr, Adams and Alta drove the tractor back to yhe C-57-D. The producers decided on the silver rain suit instead then decided NOT to show a sequence that would diminish Robby by showing him being towed!
_________________ Common Sense ISN'T Common |
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scotpens Starship Captain
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Robert (Butch) Day wrote: |
Robby's unused dress for Alta that she requested.
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OMG, that's atrocious. It looks like kitschy 1950s kitchen wallpaper. If they'd used that dress in the movie, poor Anne Francis would never have lived it down. |
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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scotpens wrote: | OMG, that's atrocious. It looks like kitschy 1950s kitchen wallpaper. If they'd used that dress in the movie, poor Anne Francis would never have lived it down. |
It certainly would have changed the story line! Can you see her putting this on just after the swimming scene?
Strangely this style was popular for a party or formal wear in the 1940s to 1650s! _________________ Common Sense ISN'T Common |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: |
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scotpens wrote: | OMG, that's atrocious. It looks like kitschy 1950s kitchen wallpaper. If they'd used that dress in the movie, poor Anne Francis would never have lived it down. |
Although Butch is right when he said that Altaira would have had a helluva time wiggling into that dress behind the bushes after getting out of the pool, I completely disagree that the gown is "atrocious". It's a very beautiful, elegant gown that could be worn to a formal affair.
And remember, this dress is EXACTLY what she asked Robby to make!
"Robby, I need a new dress."
"Again?"
"Oh, but this one must be different! Absolutely nothing must show — above, below, or through. And fit in all the right places, with lots and lots of star sapphires!"
Robby said star sapphires took a week to crystallize properly, so he suggested diamonds and emeralds. Altaira said that would be fine if they were large enough.
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Perhaps Altaira could save that dress for the Miss Universe contest when she gets back to Earth!
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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scotpens Starship Captain
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: |
Although Butch is right when he said that Altaira would have had a helluva time wiggling into that dress behind the bushes after getting out of the pool, I completely disagree that the gown is "atrocious". It's a very beautiful, elegant gown that could be worn to a formal affair. |
De gustibus non est disputandum, as they say. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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To which I reply.
Non enim ad vos the promísit, ius?
But I could be mistaken.
~ Be sure to click on the speaker icon on the English translation side. The lady's voice has just the right tone for that question. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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The Romans had a word for "prom"? _________________ ...or not...
WayneO
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, no, my learned friend.
I did my homework by finding out that "prom" is short for "promenade", which translates to "gestatio".
But the word "prom" itself translated to "promísit", which I haven't found a definition for, but I'm sure it is not Latin for "a formal dance, especially one held by a class in high school or college at the end of a year."
Naturally I was just teasing Scotspen by insinuating that his personal experiences with lovely ladies in evening gowns may be less extensive than, oh . . . say . . . mine. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958) |
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scotpens Starship Captain
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | I did my homework by finding out that "prom" is short for "promenade", which translates to "gestatio".
But the word "prom" itself translated to "promísit", which I haven't found a definition for, but I'm sure it is not Latin for "a formal dance, especially one held by a class in high school or college at the end of a year." |
It's actually the past tense, second person singular of prōmittere ("to promise").
Bud Brewster wrote: | Naturally I was just teasing Scotspen by insinuating that his personal experiences with lovely ladies in evening gowns may be less extensive than, oh . . . say . . . mine. |
Well, you've got me there. I spent most of my high school senior year building model spaceships and jerking off.
Come to think of it, I haven't changed a bit in 48 years! |
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