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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:35 am Post subject: |
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When you watch the film pay close attention to the noises when Commander Dave Bowman, PhD. U. S. N. is in the mock bedroom. Those noises are supposed to be the aliens talking! Here is a rare film frame of the aliens:
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mach7 Quantum Engineer
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I saw this in IMAX today.
Amazing! Great picture quality, better than I remembered it in Cinerama back in 1978. I was really pulled into the experience.
I'm sure the film was digitally modified to fit the IMAX but I didn't notice any stretching or compressing of the edges.
If this is nearby you I highly recommend it. |
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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A GREAT shot of the X-Ray Delta One (XD-1) Discovery set. Look at the top and you can see a bit of the Command deck!
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Interesting picture, Butch. I embedded a link to a larger version of it in your post above. Click your edit button on the post and you'll see how I did it.
By the way, I don't think the area above the pod bay set is the command deck set. There would be no reason to build one set on top of the other.
I think it's just the area with the lights and the wires, etc. for the actual set below. _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Krel Guest
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I've never understood why, when there were only two crewmen, there were three space suits, and three space pods. The only thing I can figure, is that the blue suit and third pod were backups. The space suits for scientists in hibernation would have been in storage.
The whole space pod bay makes no sense. You have a large space that has to have the air pumped out to launch the pods, but there is still going to be some air loss. It would have been more efficient to have each pod in a small chamber, less air loss that way. Why store your space suits in the area you are going to evacuate the air out of? If there is an accident, and you can't re-pressurize the pod bay, you're S.O.L. You can't use the suit in the emergency airlock, it opens into the pod bay. It would be better to have the suits in the sealed compartment off the pod bay.
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hal, do you agree?
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
Well, then I guess YOU'RE S.O.L., because David is dead right about everything he said!
That's some damn fine thinking, Krel, and I never thought of any of those problems with the design before. Concerning the way the pods are placed in the large room, the designers should have used the method proposed in Man and the Moon, the Disney "science fact" episode.
In that show, the small pods were stored just as you suggested! Note that the interior of the ship has a dome-shaped cover that seals the opening which the pod will cause when it undocks from the ship. Most of the pod's body protrudes from the bottom of the ship.
The round shape of the 2001 pods would work well with a similar form of that design, with a dome that opens up and allows the operator to enter the pod, then closes to seal the hole when the pod undocks and moves away.
Your observations concerning the storage of the space suits is perfectly valid as well. Of course, if that room was NOT routinely evacuated like one big, wasteful airlock, having the suits stored there would make more sense.
As for Hal's treacherous refusal to open the pod bay doors when Bowmen returns, the computer could evacuate the air from the area where the pods' "dome hatches" were located, preventing Bowmen from being able to leave his pod.
The "new version" of Bowman's escape from the pod could show him opening the pod's hatch and then manually releasing the dome hatch from the inside, which would cause him to be sucked out. He would then fly across the room, collide with the space suit storage rack, and hastily put on a helmet before he dies.
(The pod bay would be designed to point him in the right direction for this trick to work. ) _________________ ____________
Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
~ The Space Children (1958)
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Robert (Butch) Day Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Another problem with the pods was pointed out to me by my Goddaughter Eadie while we were watching it on the DirecTv "on-demand" channel. From the outside the pods all appear to be the same single seat single manpod. But when Frank and Dave were suspicious of HAL 9000, the interior of the pod they were in was larger and had TWO seats and was quite roomy! _________________ Common Sense ISN'T Common |
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orzel-w Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I always wondered how they both managed to fit in there. _________________ ...or not...
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Watch the videos below. The pod's interior is roomy enough for two men to easily sit knees-to-knees.
Remember, there's no artificial gravity on the ship (other than the rotating section or in the pods. So, the guys don't even have to have something to sit on. They could just float!
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_2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Hal Reads Lips Scene
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_ HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
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In the clip below, we see Dave arm the explosive bolts and then turn completely around to face the hatch, which was behind him. It's as if the pod has a low "footstool" kind of seat, with no back. Dave has room on either side to swing his legs around and face backwards.
So, in the earlier scene, there's plenty of room for the two men to be inside and face each other.
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Is there no man on Earth who has the wisdom and innocence of a child?
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Maurice Mission Specialist
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Robert (Butch) Day wrote: | When you watch the film pay close attention to the noises when Commander Dave Bowman, PhD. U. S. N. is in the mock bedroom. Those noises are supposed to be the aliens talking! Here is a rare film frame of the aliens:
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With respect, those are not "the" aliens. Those are just two images of many many concepts and tests done to try to figure out how to depict aliens (including using bizarre dot patterns on the same mime who played Moonwatcher). Kubrick ultimately realized nothing they could concoct would sell the idea so decided never to depict them in the finished film. _________________ * * *
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a few thoughts I had about this movie today while watching it on TCM.
~ When we see the monolith on the Moon, its standing upright just like the one the apes discovered. The characters state that they "excavated out around it to see if it was part of a larger structure." But wait a second . . . it's still sitting upright on flat ground, and no excavation appears to have been done around it.
~ Why did Frank Poole park the pod WAAAAY off from the antennae array and then float over to it during both of his EVAs? It seemed unnecessary. I guess Kubrick just wanted HAL to have a good running start when the computer decided to kill him.
~ The fact that Dave Bowmen was so consistently calm and careful about everything he did (even when going out to retrieve Frank's body) just isn't consistent with the fact that he forgot-or-neglecting to take his helmet. He could have easily grabbed it during the time he stood in the pod bay and watched the pod platform sloooowly rotate.
~ Dave's face has already aged significantly in the very first shot we get of him standing outside the pod, still wearing his spacesuit, after finding himself in the place where the aliens put him. This seems inconsistent with the idea that he lived in his new home for a long time and aged normally (or sort of normally . . . ) But I realize that those brief scenes where much more symbolic than realistic.
~ And lastly, here's a question: Whatever happened to the Star Child prop used in the final scene? I Goggled the question and found this.
The Cosmic Fetus of ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ Hasn’t Aged a Day
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Eadie Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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There was the French magazine that one of the workers on Space Station V was reading. Here is an advert. I wonder what Kubrick was thinking?
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scotpens Starship Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | . . . Dave's face has already aged significantly in the very first shot we get of him standing outside the pod, still wearing his spacesuit, after finding himself in the place where the aliens put him. This seems inconsistent with the idea that he lived in his new home for a long time and aged normally (or sort of normally . . . ) |
I always thought that Bowman aged at an accelerated rate once he was inside the white room. If the aliens can bend space-time into a psychedelic light show and transform Bowman into Space Fetus, surely they can make him age 60 years in a few minutes! |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, by gum, that makes perfect sense!
Good thinking. _________________ ____________
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Krel Guest
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | ~ Why did Frank Poole park the pod WAAAAY off from the antennae array and then float over to it during both of his EVAs? It seemed unnecessary. I guess Kubrick just wanted HAL to have a good running start when [size=18]the computer decided to kill him. |
The pod was parked away from the antennae array so it's exhaust wouldn't affect the array. They knew that the Astronauts should have been tethered to the pod, but they couldn't find a convincing way to make the line look right.
There is a behind the scenes photo of Bowman standing in the hotel room, and you can see an air line connected to the bottom of his life support pack. That line from the L.S.P. to the helmet was really supplying him with air!
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