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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Enjoy this interesting Starlog article from issue 17.
Click on each page here to see a large, easy-to-read version you can zoom in on. Click on the large version again, and then zoom in as close as you want!
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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As with the article about TOS in Starlog #1, this piece is also a "time capsule" which describes the feelings of Star Trek fans back when ST:TMP was in the early stages of production. For example, it's interesting to read about Roddenberry's hopes that the movie will be successful enough to spawn a whole series of Trek features.
If he'd only known what the future held in store . . .
It's also interesting to read about the "upgrades" that Star Trek: The Motion Picture had to make in terms of set designs in making the leap from the small screen (TVs were 25" diagonally, with rounded corners and "low definition" in the 1960s) to the big screen.
Give this article a try. It's fun to "know the future" while reading about the "new" Star Trek movie. _________________ ____________
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Pow Galactic Ambassador
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting, Bud, on how many fans were adverse to seeing a brand new Enterprise, both exterior & interior. They want everything to remain as close as possible to what they grew up with.no,or few,changes.
I've read that same sentiment regarding other sci~fi TV shows that are rebooted.
Someone recently posted that they'd love to see a revived Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea...but the Seaview submarine MUST look exactly as it did in the 60s movie & TV series.
I'm a huge fan of ST:TOS. But I loved seeing the upgraded design for the Enterprise hull & interiors. I find it exciting to see what artistic designers can evolve a ship, set,props or wardrobe into from a fresh approach.
Yes, I wanted the basic configuration of the big E for the movie to be anchored to the '66 series. If they had made the big E in the movies look like the Battlestar Galactica, I would have been extremely displeased.
The BG is a fine looking vessel, but not as a new Enterprise.
Sure, not all of the changes work out well. Few, very few, fans liked the new Star Fleet Uniforms in the movie.
But I cannot imagine wanting to see something created decades ago---no matter how wonderful---simply be recreated unaltered. New ideas, new concepts come along that can enhance what was once terrific but it now a little outdated.
Thunderbirds did it with their vehicles in their live action movie. The movie was dreadful but the Thunderbirds updates were fantastic. In fact, they really improved T#3 the submarine compared to its television counterpoint.
My fear is that when any sci~fi show is rebooted is that they leave much of its design ideas exactly the same.
So give us a new Seaview for a new VTTBOTS, with superior writing. Flying Sub is one of the few designs that I'd be fine with if they only modified it a little. It remains a pretty darn awesome looking vehicle. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Oddly enough, I'm NOT a fan of the original Enterprise design. The various component parts of the ship don't blend into each other, making it look "pieced together" — not to mention appearing too fragile because of the thin nacelle supports.
The redesigned version of the original Enterprise by Doug Dexler corrects the things I object to about the original ship. This is gorgeous!
Our late friend and ardent Star Trek fan, Bulldogtrekker, loved both ST: TMP (it was his favorite movie) and the refitted Enterprise it presented. (But I like the Dexler Enterprise better).
The TNG Enterprise is, of course, is spectacular!
And the unused "refit" version of the NC-01 from the series Enterprise is a true work of art. I love the way it married the original version's body to a lower section similar to the TOS Enterprise.
But I also have a special love for the "future Enterprise" we see in All Good Things, the series finale of TNG.
It's hard to really appreciate all the design changes this one has unless you study a well-lit model of it!
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | Oddly enough, I'm NOT a fan of the original Enterprise design. The various component parts of the ship don't blend into each other, making it look "pieced together" — not to mention appearing too fragile because of the thin nacelle supports. |
The original Enterprise is still the best design for me.
The thin nacelle supports were designed that way on purpose. Matt Jefferies wanted it to look like it was a zero-g based ship, he didn't want wings for the supports.
To me Drexler's design looks too busy, and a bit space wasteful on the primary hull.
I read that, for legal reasons, they couldn't use the original Enterprise design. This could explain some of the poor design choices in the recent films.
When the NextGen came out, my Dad took one look at the Enterprise for the show, and said that it looks like they took the one from the movie and stepped on it. I took to calling it the Pancakerprise after that.
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scotpens Starship Captain
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Krel wrote: | The original Enterprise is still the best design for me.
The thin nacelle supports were designed that way on purpose. Matt Jefferies wanted it to look like it was a zero-g based ship, he didn't want wings for the supports. |
It's also part of the overall "Hornblower Effect." The engine nacelles atop those tall, slender pylons create a subliminal impression of sails and masts. (Okay, maybe very subliminal.)
Krel wrote: | To me Drexler's design looks too busy, and a bit space wasteful on the primary hull. |
Way too busy. Lots of fiddly bits that have no sense of purpose or function. Design for design's sake. |
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Custer Space Sector Commander
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I love the idea of a "Hornblower Effect" - but sadly a brief search for that term led me first to tourists visiting locations in Minorca where the "Hornblower" TV series had been filmed. A little further down the first page was a link to https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-the-distinct-shape.143519/, which led to a post by... Vice Admiral scotpens…
Anyway, it's a valid term for that sort of thing. I was listening to David Drake's "RCN" series of novels recently, and to travel between the stars, via strange alternate universes where normal limitations don't apply, ships there do have actual sails, with riggers in spacesuits carefully adjusting the sails as they transit. As opposed to David Weber's Honor Harrington books, where fighting ships do seem to be firing broadsides at each other. |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: |
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With all due respect to the gentlemen who prefer the TOS Enterprise to any of the variations I displayed above, I'd like to present what I think is the best Enterprise-like design of them all — the U.S.S. Jefferies (aka the Enterprise CLL-1701) by Pierre Drolet.
Forgive me, gentlemen, but this design fixes everything I dislike about the fragile-looking appearance of the TOS Enterprise.
This is one totally bad-ass starship!
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johnnybear Mission Specialist
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:24 am Post subject: |
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I've always loved the look of the original Enterprise too! The film versions were okay but too flashy for my liking and the TNG ship has always seemed too cartoonish in it's design! Until I got a model of it I wasn't even sure it was real!!!
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: |
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johnnybear wrote: | The film versions were okay but too flashy for my liking and the TNG ship has always seemed too cartoonish in it's design!JB |
JB, I'm not sure what "cartoonish" really means, but I love the TNG Enterprise. Oh well, different strokes . . .
As for the ships in the movies being "too flashy", I know just what you mean. It's like the way I've been accused of being too tough, too tan, too good looking, and having too much money!
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johnnybear Mission Specialist
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nice one, Bud!
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Custer Space Sector Commander
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:41 am Post subject: |
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johnnybear wrote: | Until I got a model of it I wasn't even sure it was real!!!
JB |
Surely all versions of the starship Enterprise are real, though admittedly still in our future... |
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Bud Brewster wrote: | johnnybear wrote: | The film versions were okay but too flashy for my liking and the TNG ship has always seemed too cartoonish in it's design!JB |
JB, I'm not sure what "cartoonish" really means, but I love the TNG Enterprise. Oh well, different strokes . . .
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When my Dad saw the TNG Enterprise, he said it looked like they took the one from the movie, and stepped on it!
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johnnybear Mission Specialist
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Krel wrote: | Bud Brewster wrote: | johnnybear wrote: | The film versions were okay but too flashy for my liking and the TNG ship has always seemed too cartoonish in it's design!JB |
JB, I'm not sure what "cartoonish" really means, but I love the TNG Enterprise. Oh well, different strokes . . .
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When my Dad saw the TNG Enterprise, he said it looked like they took the one from the movie, and stepped on it!
David. |
Yeah, it does sort of look a bit bent and twisted somehow!
JB |
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Bud Brewster Galactic Fleet Admiral (site admin)
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I read this book in 1980 after Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out and enjoyed it very much. Starlog presented part 1 of Walter's book in issue #30. Part 2 is included in #31, and I'll post it here tomorrow.
As usual, click on each page here to see a large, easy-to-read version you can zoom in on. Click on the large version again, and then zoom in as close as you want!
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