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Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (1983)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
And like Dorian Grey's portrait, the dissolute, diseased man with the corrupted soul was revealed for what he had become, reduced to a creature more to be pitied than feared.

The Dark Side had leeched the humanity from him and when he turned, at the last, to the Light Side, what may have looked like your examples above had the evil lifted from him.

He said to Luke "Let me look at you with my own eyes..." indicating that Vader was no more. He was once again Anakin.

Wow, that's persuasive and well-worded rebuttal, Obi-wan Greenobi! It makes perfect sense. Very Happy

If Palpatine could go from a normal man to the hideous countenance shown below in few seconds just because he completely surrendered to the full "force" of the Dark Side, your suggestion that Anakin might have physically changed when he renounced the Dark Side and pitched Palpatine down the reactor shaft is very reasonable.

Even though I can't help feeling disappointed at the wimpy look of "Vader Unmasked", in view of your excellent arguments I'm forced to concede the debate. Very Happy




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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Sir.

The Palpatine / Emperor physical change brought on by the Dark side was what set me to thinking.

Actually, we are BOTH correct. When he was consumed by the Dark side he looked like your examples, we just never got to see that. It would have been good if we had at least more than a glimpse so the return to the light would have been more obvious.

But, after all, isn't examination, discussion leading to understanding the reason for myth and legend?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
When he was consumed by the Dark side he looked like your examples, we just never got to see that. It would have been good if we had at least more than a glimpse so the return to the light would have been more obvious.

An excellent point!

I submit that Anakin's physical deterioration occurred slowly over the years, hidden by the helmet (which also hide his horribly injured flesh).

The reason I've always disliked the scene in which Palpatine became an "instant Evil Emperor" in Revenge of Sith is that I assumed his horrible appearance in Return of the Jedi was a slow process caused by his exposure to the Dark Side for many years — like the deteriorating appearance of a drug addict.

Your interpretation of the scene in Revenge of the Sith suggests that Palpatine had embraced the Dark Side so completely he was able to fully utilize all its evil power in one devastating moment, giving him the ability to unleash those lightning bolts against poor Mace Windu. But by doing so he paid a terrible price, turning himself in the hideous creature he became in a matter of seconds!

Anakin was also well on his way to that level of commitment, but he wasn't there yet. In fact, we never saw him use the lightning bolt power, even when he chose to save his tortured son from the Emperor, who unleashed the full power of his own frightening abilities.

However, it seems reasonable to assume that Darth Vader's 20 year exposure to the evil of the Dark Side would cause his physical appearance to deteriorate. It's difficult to imagine what Vader really looked like under that helmet — a hideous combination of scar tissue after his burned flesh healed, plus the ravages of his long exposure to the Dark Side!

When all these factors are taken into consideration, I guess Darth Dumpty actually looked pretty good by the time he was finally unveiled by his forgiving son when Luke provided a chance for Vader ask for his forgiveness.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IMDB has 245 trivia items for this movie. Here's a few of the most interesting ones.
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According to Gary Kurtz, the original treatment ended with Luke Skywalker walking off alone and exhausted like the hero in a Spaghetti Western, going into seclusion by walking out into the Tatooine desert. George Lucas opted for a happier ending to encourage higher merchandise sales.

Note from me: George was right, the happy ending is what the fans wanted after the Empire is defeated. Bus it's ironic that The Force Awakens uses the idea of Luke going into seclusion.

The Endor shots were filmed near Crescent City, California. Forest work was especially hard on the Ewok actors. Production Assistant Ian Bryce arrived on the set one day to find a note from the Ewok actors saying that they had all had enough and they were on their way to the airport. Bryce tried to drive to the airport, but got a flat tire not far from the set. He found another car and was about to leave when the Ewoks' bus pulled up, and all the Ewok actors got off wearing "Revenge of the Ewok" t-shirts.

Note from me: Oh my God! I'd love to have a picture of this priceless moment! Very Happy

Hayden Christensen mentioned in an interview that he didn't fully know what George Lucas was up to when he was inserted into The Special Edition, otherwise he would have played the scene totally different.

Note from me: Oh for Pete's sake! All the guy had to do was smile at Luke! How would he "play the scene different"? Maybe he could have smiled and winked and then said, "Hey, Luke! Who's your Daddy now, eh?" Rolling Eyes

John Williams son Joseph Williams, the lead singer of the pop/rock band Toto, collaborated on part of the score, and wrote lyrics for the Ewoks songs.

Note from me: I like both the original Ewok celebration song and the beautiful John Williams music that replaced it. And I also like Toto's hit, 99 . . . which, according to Wikipedia, "was written as a tribute to George Lucas' film THX 1138 and the music video resembles a scene in the movie."

Wow . . . who knew, eh? Shocked


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According to Ian McDiarmid in the Blu-ray commentary, Palpatine is over 100 years old.

Note from me: When I first saw Palpatine in Return of the Jedi, I assumed he was either very old (but kept alive by the Dark Side of the Force), or middle-aged and horribly deformed by the corrosive effect of using the Dark Side for several decades. In fact, all the way back to A New Hope I thought poor Anakin Skywalker was corrupted by the "drug" of the Dark Side in a similar manner.

For these reasons, I hated the scene in Revenge of the Sith when Palpatine uses Dark Force lightening on Sam L. Jackson and instantly goes from fleshy grape to shriveled raisin faster than you can say "I Heard it Through the Grapevine"!

I mean . . . damn! Suddenly Palpatine looked like the Prune from Hell, and Anakin is on his knees begging this instant villain to be his Force boy-toy!

None of these characters became who they were in the manner I predicted! It sucked!


__________________ Mace Windu Vs Palpatine

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Alan Rickman auditioned for the role of Moff Jerjerrod.

Note from me: That would have actually worked! Very Happy

On what was dubbed "Black Friday", 100,000 feet of film stock containing effects shots that couldn't be read in an optical printer were unceremoniously dumped by George Lucas himself. The crew at ILM were forced to go back to the drawing board and start again from scratch, with many getting drunk when they heard the news.

Note from me: Gosh, and we all thought that film making was just non-stop glitz, glamour, and glory! Who knew it sometimes involved moments of extreme anguish and complete inebriation!
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bullshit on the 100,000 feet of film. In 35mm film terms that would be 18.5 hours of footage. Even if that was all Vistavision 8-perf footage that's 9.25 hours.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I posted a fan-made trailer for The Last Starfighter (1984) on the thread for that movie, and the trailer had this amusing message at the beginning.






I wondered just how true the claim at the bottom was, so I made a list of 1980s science fiction films that I thought were good, just to see if that decade really did produce a significant number of “the best” sci-fi movies.

This movie is on the list I made. I know what I like about the film (and a few things I don’t like), but I’d like to hear the pros and cons from the rest of you folks.

So, what do you think, guys? Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Enjoy this well-written Starlog article from issue 80.

Click on each page here to see a large, easy-to-read version you can zoom in on. Click on the large version again, and then zoom in as close as you want!










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Here's part 2 of the above Starlog article from issue 82.

Click on each page here to see a large, easy-to-read version you can zoom in on. Click on the large version again, and then zoom in as close as you want!










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It’s interesting to read articles about the heroic efforts that were made by FX people back in the age of models and bluescreens and motion controlled cameras. Much of that kind of effects work is now gone in the age of CGI, just like stop motion became just as extinct as the dinosaurs it once brought life.

This article renewed my appreciation for the hard work needed to create those cinematic masterpieces “the hard way” back in the latter decades of the 20th century.

I was amazed at how much luck and personal skill was involved in combiniing multiple pieces of film to build up a scene like (for example) the shot of all those ships zooming around in front of the Deathstar in Return of the Jedi. That shot require 70 separate elements (strips of film). Small adjustments had to be made in the positions of individual element to make it work.

It was insanely difficult. God bless CGI! It has probably saved the sanity of many a FX person. Shocked

The article mentions how much trouble the FX people had with what should have been a simple shot: the cockpit POV scenes of the stolen shuttle Tydirium passing close by Darth Vader’s Super-Star Destroyer on it’s way to Endor. They couldn’t get it right for some reason because “the angles weren’t right”.

Oddly enough, I know exactly what shot the article refers to, and I noticed that the shot didn’t look right the first time I saw the movie! Watch the scene in the clip below and notice how the backside of the Super-Star Destroyer’s bridge when viewed through the shuttle’s canopy doesn’t look like it’s just sliding past the shuttle, it also looks like it’s rotating clockwise!






The brief shot shown above is at the 3:40 mark in the clip.

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This article is packed with interesting facts about the challenges and hardships the FX guys experienced during the making of this movie. I highly recommend that you guys enjoy this great article. Very Happy
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