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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Green wrote:
I had read in an interview with Nick Meyers back in the day (I don't recall now exactly where...so I may have this mixed up.)

You'll notice that that scene with Khan's little son was the baby crawling to the TRANSPORTER ! The tyke was to be saved at the last minute with Khan sending him to the Enterprise.

At the last minute in the filming it was decided that the death of Spock was the important element in the ending of the film and all reference to the son were editted out of the final cut so as to not complicate the issue.

The baby was gonna go kerplow along with the Reliant.

Here're the references to it from the screenplay, along with some photos.

18 ANGLE - THEIR POV 18

A RUINED SERIES OF MAN-MADE STRUCTURES, half buried in
sand...

As Chekov looks at the porthole, a face suddenly looks
back! It is the face of a CHILD! The Apparition
scares the daylights out of Chekov -- and us. He
screams.

TERRELL
(continuing)
What is it?

He comes clumsily over --

CHEKOV
A face! I saw -- it was like a
child --




In the subsequent action they found the child alone in the cargo bays. Terrell and Chekov pop from one compartment of the cargo bays to another in the span on a cut because they trimmed out all the footage featuring the Rugrat of Khan and hence the business of them going from one to the other went with it. When Terrell is kneeling to the lower left as Chekov says "We've got to get out of here, now!", he's not looking at the eel tank (which is in the previous room), he's looking at the kid off-camera (they possibly optically enlarged the frame to crop the kid out). If you watch his mouth he doesn't say, "What about the tricorder?" he says, "What about the child?"

Then at the end...

213A INT. RELIANT TRANSPORTER ROOM 213A

There sits the Genesis torpedo: lights start blinking
in response. As we watch, the CHILD we met on Ceti Alpha
walks to the torpedo and smiles at the lights.




(Note the stuffed animal behind the Genesis torpedo, probably used to entice the kid towards the prop.)



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A magnificent post, Maurice! Very interesting. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for clearing that up. Your post is magnificent!

Perhaps Meyer was referring to the idea that the child on the transporter with the Genesis device would become part of the new matrix and become . . . (?)

In any case, Thank you for clearing this up!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

William Shatner believes Leonard Nimoy cooked up Spock's Star Trek death for leverage
Bryan Alexander, USA TODAY

William Shatner has developed a cynical view of Mr. Spock's (Leonard Nimoy) dramatic death in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Shatner believes his longtime friend Nimoy,who died in 2015,plotted to dramatically kill off his beloved character in 1982's Wrath of Khan, only to have the half-Vulcan return in the next movie, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.

He suspects Nimoy schemed Spock's spectacular demise and return with producer Harve Bennett for leverage, allowing Nimoy to insist upon directing The Search for Spock.


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I believe it was all planned? I now believe (Nimoy) and Harve cooked this up, says Shatner, who had this realization long after Wrath of Khan...

I suddenly realized that I, as well as many other people,had been taken in by the death of Spock," the actor says. "Leonard was so marvelous at working the territory that he got a directing job out of it.

Shatner says he was "genuinely moved" filmingthe famed Wrath of Khan scene in which Spock,dying from radiation poisoning after saving the Enterprise from villain Khan (Ricardo Montalbn), says a final goodbye.

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"I was thinking my good friend Nimoy is in essence saying goodbye to the whole part," Shatner says. "No one told me they were thinking otherwise."

The Captain Kirk actor, who himself later directed a Star Trek film (1989's Star Trek V: The Final Frontier), has no hard feelings about Nimoy's alleged maneuver.

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But I would have enjoyed being in on it, he adds. I get the secrecy. But it's all great.

Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer stands by the historical account that Nimoy asked to have Spock killed off because he truly intended to leave the franchise and the character.
Here's what happened," Meyer says. "Leonard was very ambivalent about doing another Star Trek movie. And Harve Bennett lured him with the promise of a terrific death scene, which (Shatner) and he played so touchingly.

But as Wrath of Khan came together, it was clear that Paramount had a hit on its hands. And Leonard was starting to feel really good (about the movie) and was thinking whether he was making some kind of a mistake, says Meyer. So the studio insisted on leaving the door open for a Spock return.

I fought it," Meyer says. I thought it was unforgivable to take people who were so wrapped up in this character and sort of dry hustle them and then say, Oh, we were just kidding.' But in the end, it was a battle that I lost."

Meyer added key scenes, including one of the Enterprise shooting Spock coffin onto the regenerated planet Genesis among flourishing plant life, pointing to a possible return.
We left dangling the prospect of hope. And Star Trek is about hope," says Meyer. "That' s the truth. It was not always planned that (Spock) was going to come back.

Ultimately, Meyer is happy with how everything played out. Nimoy agreed to come back to the franchise if he could direct the third film.

In retrospect," says Meyer, they were right, and I was wrong.

Full story and photos:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/09/07/william-shatner-believes-leonard-nimoy-cooked-up-spocks-star-trek-death-leverage/619502001/


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That may very well be true, but with Leonard not able to confirm or deny the point is rather moot.

Perhaps this is the point of contention between him and Shatner in Nimoy's last years that led to their estrangement.

In any regard Shatner should keep his speculations to himself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree. Shatner sounds nutty and needs to shut up.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Space Seed," Khan Forever Changed VHS Releases
John and Maria Jose Tenuto, Star Trek

Now that Star Trek: Discovery has broken records in the entertainment frontier of streaming television, it seems appropriate to reflect on past examples in which Star Trek played an important role in popularizing new home entertainment options and technologies. One of the most significant example is how “Space Seed” and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan helped energize the home VHS library phenomenon.



During the late 1970s and early 1980s, VHS, Betamax, and CED players were becoming increasingly common. However, due to the cost of the actual tapes, most people could not afford to purchase their own copies, and thus rented films on VHS or Betamax. A single blank tape was $20 or more during the 1970s, and a tape with a film on it was usually $80 and up. To rent a film at a video store usually required a deposit commiserate with the cost a film, or at least the placement of a credit card on file, due to the high costs of the tapes. And many stores only allowed the rental of only one or two tapes at a time.

Paramount ran a unique experiment during the summer of 1982 in an effort to determine if there might be interest by consumers in purchasing films on VHS and Betamax -- to own. Such an experiment would require two things: offering TV shows or films directly to consumers that would be popular enough to entice people to buy them, and a lower price tag. Enter “Space Seed” and The Wrath of Khan....

....Indeed, lightning struck again when STII was made available to the home market at $39.95, a savings of about $40 compared to the then-available Star Wars films and the previously available Star Trek: The Motion Picture. There was an extensive advertising campaign, complemented by a Paramount-sponsored retailer contest through which store owners assembled creative STII displays....

.....This success was important because Star Trek played an important role in popularizing the idea of home video libraries. “Space Seed” gave Paramount the confidence to eventually offer every TOS episode for purchase, a precursor to today's DVD, Blu-ray and streaming collections. Raiders of the Lost Ark and STII demonstrated that movie fans buy their favorite films to watch again and again whenever they wished – the beginnings of the on-demand experience common today.

Star Trek, as we all know, reshaped the entertainment, pop culture and science landscapes in many ways. And, as proven by “Space Seed” and STII, and later The Next Generation (with its success as a syndicated first-run drama), Star Trek also impacted how Hollywood does business.


BDT: My first movie VHS purchase was Star Trek The Motion Picture (Special Longer Edition) as seen on ABC-TV and available at a low price.

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http://www.startrek.com/article/space-seed-khan-forever-changed-vhs-releases
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I posted a fan-made trailer for The Last Starfighter (1984) on the thread for that movie, and the trailer had this amusing message at the beginning.






I wondered just how true the claim at the bottom was, so I made a list of 1980s science fiction films that I thought were good, just to see if that decade really did produce a significant number of “the best” sci-fi movies.

This movie is on the list I made. I know what I like about the film (and a few things I don’t like), but I’d like to hear the pros and cons from the rest of you folks.

So, what do you think, guys? Cool

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